Why YouTube’s HTML5 Player Sucks
YouTube has begun rolling out their HTML5 video player in order to replace Flash, and although I applaud them for pushing us to the future, I am finding it very hard to enjoy YouTube at the moment. While some of these problems are minor, others make the new player impossible to use.
Inaccurate timing
Perhaps not the worst issue, but when I want to skip into a video, it doesn’t give me an accurate measurement of time. In the pictures below, you can see that I hover over 1:20:43, however, when I click it jumps nearly a minute away to 1:21:35. YouTube’s Flash player used to have a similar problem, usually it’d be off by about two seconds max (and that was likely due to the way the video was compressed rather than a bug in the player), but nearly a minute off? I think that’s unacceptable for YouTube’s standards.
YouTube's Inaccurate Timing
Buffering?
I average around 700 KiB/s downstream on my connection, but YouTube tends to load at a far slower rate – likely due to the setup YouTube has in Australia. Nevertheless, YouTube’s HTML5 player doesn’t buffer for me. It keeps playing the video pausing and playing, pausing and playing multiple times a second – you know, that really jittery playback you get when a video loads as fast as it plays? It’s unbearable. So I pause videos at the start to let them load. Now, pausing a video to let it load isn’t a big issue, but it’s also useless because of the next issue…
Caching and Download Limits Make HD Impossible!
Whether this is a setting in my browser or something else, I don’t know, but I have tested this on all of my computers – both Windows 7 and Mac OS X Lion – using Chrome 16. Videos hardly cache for me anymore. This means that if I want to rewind more than about 20 seconds in a video, it starts loading the video again despite the fact that I just loaded it. This isn’t just bad for my transfer quota, but what about YouTube’s!? – Just imagine how many people are reloading their videos due to this issue.
What’s worse is that when I rewind, I have to pause it again to let it buffer again.
It gets even worse, though! I can’t play YouTube HD videos. Why? Because videos will only load so many seconds into the future before they stop downloading (perhaps a limitation in cache size?) In other words, if I’m watching a 10 minute video in HD, I pause the video, the video will only load X seconds ahead and no more. (X depends on the quality of the video, 1080p may only load a minute or so, whereas 360p may load the entire video.)
Here’s what happens…
I’ll give an example of me watching an 1080p video the other day, because generally watching 360p will be fine due to the often small file-size of such videos.
So, I pause the video at 0 seconds to let it buffer (because it doesn’t auto-buffer.) The video then stops loading after X seconds due to the cache limitations(?). I start playing, and so the video continues to load a bit further, while in the background the player/browser is un-caching what I had previously watched. BAM! I’m hit with the slow transfer rate that YouTube offers in Australia and so I have to pause again to let the video buffer. I hit play, but for some reason it skips ahead a second and so I missed what someone said in the video. I put my cursor on the time-bar to go back 5 seconds, but it instead decides to pull me back 30 seconds. BAM! Cache limitation! It starts loading the video again, and so I pause to let it load. It is impossible to use!
These same issues occur on all of my computers, all using Chrome 16 on both Mac OS X Lion and Windows 7.
Other Issues…
I don’t know who’s to blame here, but when watching videos via HTML5, my screen will go dark after 5 minutes, as per my computer’s energy saving settings. The computer doesn’t realise I’m watching a video, as it did with Flash, it therefore thinks I am inactive and dims the screen. This results in a bad user experience, especially if you’re watching a movie or TV show on YouTube.
Fullscreen has it’s own issues, where Chrome will continue to display my downloads panel at the bottom of the browser.
Annoyingly, the cursor never hides when in fullscreen.
If you’re wanting to skip forwards or backwards in a video while in fullscreen, hovering over the timeline won’t give you an indication of the time you’ll jump to (then again, it’d be inaccurate anyway, as mentioned at the top of this post.)
Also, weirdly, sometimes exiting fullscreen results in odd problems, as shown in my screenshot below…
YouTube's HTML5 Player Offset After Leaving Fullscreen
All in All…
I really hope YouTube fixes these issues soon. I would prefer to use HTML5 over Flash for the simple fact that I’d like to use as few plugins as possible, but these issues are making it hard. The biggest issue, in my opinion, is the cache. I simply cannot load 1080p videos. I’d love to hear if anyone else is having these issues.
Regarding the caching issue, I am unsure if this is just a default browser setting, but if it is, YouTube’s going to have a lot of issues bringing this player in.
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we’ll never be happy (for very long) as long as youtube holds us hostage.
we’ll never find a real alternative, as long as youtube fixes just enough to keep people from moving. they have more cheap storage and usually, better technology than any competitor. that’s also why they’ll suck forever, because who’s going to stop the monopoly, vimeo? blip.tv? the internet archive? rinse, repeat. see you next year when they’ve done it again.
I think the biggest issue is that there’s no incentive for content producers to move away from YouTube.
There definitely is, depending on your circumstances. Overly commercial stuff doesn’t usually work very well on YouTube for example…and especially if you want your own site to rank for videos in the search engines rather than YouTube. For those who can afford to pay for video hosting look at the pros and cons section (near the bottom) on this blog: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/hosting-and-embedding-for-video-seo
That is true. I suppose I was coming from the position that YouTube has the largest user base and therefore potential audience. At the same time, Facebook and other social networking websites could make up for that by simply linking to the content.
Or it could also be that it’s in beta. That MIGHT have something to do with it
Hahahah so true!
Are you sure it’s in BETA? I haven’t seen a BETA label anywhere.
It’s Google we’re talking about, everything is in beta…
Jokes aside, it clearly states “trial”;
http://youtube.com/html5
I’m not sure what Google’s doing, it would seem the project is fragmented. I am not part of the HTML5 trial and yet I receive the HTML5 player. As far as I know, they rolled out HTML5 to everybody many months ago.
Nevertheless, most of the problems I’ve listed in this post have been fixed and the buffering issue is also appearing in the Flash player – my guess is that they’re trying to save bandwidth by limiting how much a user can download and/or preventing the saving of temporary files.
I am sorry, but I do not experience any of your complaints.
It loads, plays with the width of the browser, in HD, and buffers appropriately.
You probably have an ISP that throttles you and you’re barking up the wrong tree.
Very odd. Are you using Chrome 16?
Even if my ISP does throttle me, shouldn’t YouTube’s player be able to handle it?
I’m having the same problems as Chris had (or still have) and I’m from Argentina !
same problem here! very frustrating! and I’m from Africa…
Same problem here and I’m not in Australia. Mostly buffer issues: If I pause, it doesnt buffer, If I rewind even a completely buffered clip, it often reloads the whole video, which sucks for really large videos (hour long for example). Waste of bandwidth for us and for youtube, you’d think they’d fix the ‘reload whole video’ bug instead of implementing a ‘don’t buffer what we SUSPECT isn’t being watched’ – some people, myself included, pause a video to buffer and switch tabs – that’s impossible now as you have to play it for it to buffer. If it’s not a bug, then it’s the worst feature ever implemented in GOogle’s history
@Floris
Chris has compared his problems with html 5 vs. The Flash Player. Don’t jump to the wrong conclusion by suggesting that the ISP is throttling him. If they were throttling him with the html 5 player, then they were throttling him with the flash player. He didn’t notice the problems with the flash player so therefore it’s not an issue with the isp.
I am too experiencing issues with the html 5 player while playing video’s beyond 360p. I did a speed test and I get a download speed of 20 Mbps. These issues are with the player and not the isp.
Hey Chris! I work on Chrome’s audio/video implementation.
Some of these issues have been already fixed in Chrome 17+ such as screen dimming http://crbug.com/100054
Others appear to be bugs both in the YT player and in Chrome itself. I’ll go digging around the bug trackers to see what I can find.
Also it’s been a while since I’ve tried it, but –media-cache-size should let you override the size of the media cache. I believe it defaults to something not very suitable for watching and buffering a lot of HD content. I’d be interested in hearing whether that helps.
Hey Andrew,
Thanks for the comment! That’s awesome to hear Chrome 17 will fix the dimming issue!
I’ll definitely check out –media-cache-size and see if I can improve the experience. I was searching earlier for a way to change that, but for whatever reason Google threw me results for changing the settings in Firefox. I’ll let you know how it goes.
Seems to work fine for me..
Are you using Chrome 16?
Nope – 17
So, 17 must have just been released. Yay! No more screen dimming!
YAY! Doing the happy dance!
It sounds to me like many of your problems are browser or ISP related. The video tag is still very new compared to what the Flash player can do with video, so it may just take more time for Chrome (and the other browsers) to handle video better.
Regarding the download speeds in Australia – I’m visiting Australia for the first time just this week and I can confirm that all the videos I’ve tried to watch are loading extremely slow. Although it’s tough to say whether it’s this crappy hotel internet or a problem with the whole country.
You might try checking this page out to see what it tells you about your connection speed to YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/my_speed
You’re right, it may be my ISP throttling me, however, if they are throttling me, it’s still the fastest connection in Australia as I’m running off the Telstra Wholesale Network. Nevertheless, shouldn’t YouTube be able to handle slow connections?
I’d imagine the hotel you’re staying at is slow, there aren’t many that offer decent connections here in Australia, yet.
Hopefully if more people complain about the issues with the HTML5 player, the faster the leading web browsers will be improved.
The YouTube speed test says I’m averaging 2.42 Mbps, which is around 240 KiB/s, drastically slower than the 700 KiB/s I receive on other websites. I have noticed that speed tends to change throughout the day. It’s hard to say whether YouTube is slower in Australia due to ISP or due to Google. I know that there’ve been days where YouTube has gone extremely slow and I’m reasonably sure it wasn’t my ISP throttling the speed.
I don’t have throttling as part of my plan, but I suppose that doesn’t necessarily mean that my ISP or the Telstra Wholesale Network doesn’t throttle connections to YouTube.
I am technically challenged so I do not understand most of your problems but they seem familiar. So I’m just asking: why does YT’s HTML5 player suck on Safari? It stutters and is impossible to use. I get an immediate headache with it.
When I compare YouTube’s player to, say, Vimeo’s HTML5 player then, well, there is hardly a point in comparing because Vimeo works and YT does not.
If it’s the stuttering issue that I’m experiencing on Chrome, it’s because the video doesn’t buffer/load enough of the video before it starts playing. So what happens is it’s constantly playing what it just downloaded then pausing while it downloads the next few frames of the video before playing again – creating the stutter. The solution would be to pause the video for a few moments before playing.
If you’re still experiencing the stutter after that, it may be an issue with the rendering of the video – you may need to install alternative codecs.
Do you have three ticks when you visit this page? – http://www.youtube.com/html5
Im in the U.S. I have a cable company modem with an old mac “ethernet” and a ipad with the youtube application on a wifi. As of the last couple days the YT buffering is horrible on both. I thought it was me but i downloaded a 1.3 gig file in 10 min from apple. So i should handle some video buffering. Whatever they did they sure made their site suck.
That’s pretty interesting, because that means the buffering issue may be server-side at YouTube’s end. I hope it is, because that means HTML5 video playback isn’t as bad as it may have first appeared.
I’ve had horrible results too. I’m US based, have a 20Mbps connection, and youtube is just HORRIBLE in Safari. Stuttering, can’t FF or rewind, it just blows. As others have said, vimeo is completely fine.
The fact is youtube sucks. I find it shocking they can’t make a decent HTML5 player, if they’re serious about dashing flash.
I’ve still yet to try YouTube’s HTML5 player in any other browser, nor have I tried Vimeo’s HTML5 player (either that, or I didn’t even notice it wasn’t Flash!) You’re not the first one to say this, though. If Vimeo can make an acceptable HTML5 player, then YouTube need to pick up their game.
Dude ..
i have only 1 word for you : HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Using HTML5 will not decrease plugins.
This is just morronic.
Actually in order to run simple video with HTML5 you need actually at least 7 codecs and 3 plugins.
Aswell HTML5 doest have complier side, code is always recalculated, and this will always make Flash be MORE ( 3 times at least ) FASTER than HTML5.
HTML5 is just another way to power up the software industry for Microsoft and Apple , which latelly became powerless against the army of developers coming ahead them.
ANYWAY i can clearly say that to try drop Flash in favor of HTML5 is another morronic step from Adobe.
Actually Adobe could DOMINATE with Flash and AIR the whole world in the current situation.
Adobe artificailly holding high prices of their drades now. Adobe without Flash is 70% lower price of the market share. which is clear Adobe fatality. A fatality set as a trap from Microsoft and Apply, and executed from the current lame CEO of Adobe, in order to destroy Adobe and the products and market share of Adobe be split between them.
We will all actually suffer the consequences, because this will mean almost NONE free software and games, neither cool things. Just booring and straight ACTA looking WEB.
I am suggesting to everyone – VOTE UP FOR FLASH and AIR – they is actually what you need and what you are always looking for. The rest is just forced by 2 companies asking for your pocket, and trying to rule the world.
FLASH IS EVERYTHING YOU AND ALL DEVELOPERS DREAM OF !
FLASH. SUCKS. PERIOD!
HTML 5. WILL. TAKE. OVER!
It’s time to get away from Adobe altogether! They do NOTHING to stay on top, yet alone keep up with, for current and upcoming technologies.
FLASH WILL BE GONE… AND SOON!!!! So the dev’s out there are going to be in serious trouble for getting work.. Time to learn NEW TECHNOLOGY. Flash is unstable, not secure whatsoever, and just plain OLD technology.
Ummm. Are you just an Adobe hater or what?
Adobe HAS actually done something to stay on top.
Their latest Flash has HTML5 export options, and ‘Adobe Edge’ also can create animations in HTML5.
Flash still has practical implications that HTML5 cant yet replace. Flashed was used all these years simply because it was the best alternative at the time for video players instead of bulky plug-ins and code.
As far as your comment about it being unstable and not secure, I’d like to see documentation on this to back that statement up because I’ve never had issues in it being unstable or insecure. You must be writing bad script maybe?
The only downfall to Flash IMO is that it doesn’t work with iOS. Are you an iOS fan boy?
I’m sorry for all the questions, but your comment is so vague and full of hatred against Adobe Flash and has statements in it that really don’t have any backing to them.
Flash snorts monkey dung, plain and simple. It’s a bane on computer users the world across. I’ve developed in flash extensively, and there are really no merits to using Flash, and a whole heap of downsides.
And flash video sucks, too. HTML5 video is good for everyone as it’s an open standard. The only reason Google wants to keep supporting Flash (and their horrible WebM format) is because it means they can continue pulling the crap they’ve been exposed for pulling on their users over the last few years. Their ad money is tied pretty closely to Flash. That’s fine. But when they put up a bullshit sermon about how the “openness of the web” is at stake, that’s downright deceptive (read: evil) in my book.
Adobe has been on a rampage for the last 7+ years to fleece the customer, bloat their software, shorten product lifecycles, and continually ignore software bugs and UX issues. Adobe is acting like an untouchable (at the finite moment they appear to be such), and they’re setting themselves up to be destroyed once a viable alternative comes to market in their key market segments (PS, ID, AI, FL, etc).
You can scoff all you want (as I’m sure you and many others will, but I merely ask you to remember this post 10 years from now when Adobe’s relevancy is dramatically diminished. On that day, Google might not be far behind.
If this is the case then why am I desperately searching for a way to hopefully switch the YouTube player back over to the Flash version.
The HTML5 player on Youtube is seriously horrible and makes the site almost unusable!
Seriously is there a way to switch back to the Flash player in settings anyone????
This is all wrong. You need to understand that corporate open source is different from open source. Here is why your argument fails:
Mozilla has Gecho
IE has Trident
Chrome has Blink
Safari has Webkit2.
Well choose for each platform u optimize. And then there is flash. One in all platforms.
As far i understand, back in 2010 i was fooled. Flash in 2013 has resurrected.
“to try drop Flash in favor of HTML5 is another morronic step from Adobe.” – Adobe? didn’t you mean to say YouTube? or are you a complete idiot? XD
Its frickin horrible. The playback is jerky. I am using Firefox. I dont care about Chrome. New re-design is horrible + this html player is shitty – slow & jerky.
If any video loads in flash, even 1080p plays fine! But in html5 even 360p struggles. Eff you, youtube.
I’m pulling out my hair with this html5 youtube. It sux big time.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one… the change was so sudden! My connection used to handle youtube video playback just fine and I usually watched at 360p, then all of a sudden, since a couple of weeks ago it started slowing down. It doesn’t load when paused.
I live in Mexico south of the border with Texas but interestingly enough when I use a proxy to get a US IP it SOMETIMES loads when paused and gives me the same speed as before (even when the rest of the pages load obviously slower)
You actually have a buffer problem there. Not related to the player.
Your problem is two-folded:
- ISP on one hand (inevitable as you are down under) sorry
- The OSes you use (both)
I have never expirienced this kind of problem on Chromium/Firefox on Linux
Nevertheless, the YouTube player should be able to buffer appropriately depending on the speed.
Over the past few weeks my experience has improved. Perhaps due to new versions of Chrome and/or YouTube simply improving their player.
Based on these facts, I don’t think the OS is to blame. I had also experienced these issues in Firefox on Ubuntu when I tested the BETA of the player months prior.
in firefox the HTML5 player can be disables so Youtube can only use flash.
my problem is that HTML5 player needs MUCH more CPU power, so anything above 360p won’t play ok, fullscreen is impossible.
see the comments on this video how to disable HTML5 in Firefox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt01DQeb3Xw
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Brilliant, THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!
Youtube’s a technical nightmare, and the buffering issues (I’m on 384 kbit/s) have gotten only worse and worse during the years.
Maybe they should stop playing like little enthusiastic kids with their new toys, but instead STOP adding stupid features and make those that are already there WORK!
Kinda the same problem like eBay…
I found this site while looking for solutions as to why YouTube was no longer buffering past a certain amount of time past the play head (even when paused) on my Mac. I was using the FLASH version of the YouTube player. I checked all the cache settings in both Flash and Firefox and neither made a difference. So I switched to the HTML5 player and now it works. In fact, it works better now than it has in months. Not only does buffering work correctly now, but video playback is much smoother. Not sure what the deal is, but switching from Flash to HTML5 seems to have fixed my YouTube issues here (US).
Yeah, the HTML5 player definitely has been improved since this post. Perhaps the issue was on YouTube’s end? The HTML5 player may have been using a different version of the video, such as WebM, whereas the Flash player may have been accessing the MP4. Maybe an error occurred on YouTube’s servers that affected the MP4 version.
Just a guess, though.
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You are right Chris, Youtube HTML 5 player still sucks.
You’re spot on man. I’m having all of the issues you’ve mentioned. And I frickin despise HTML5.
Flash is still way better,youtube just trying to prevent video downloads made their site worst by going to HTML5
It seems to be an issue with chrome, I am running Chrome 18 and I am having the same issues. No buffering at all. However, if I play the same youtube video in internet explorer 9, not problem. The video plays and buffers.
Interesting. My issues started to go away once I updated to Chrome 17 (IIRC.) I haven’t had many issues in 18/19.
So many people are experiencing similar issues, but with entirely different setups, it seems. I wonder what’s causing it.
I’m on Firefox 13.0.1 and have exactly the same issues you’ve described above and i’m not in Australia. So i can tell you this is not an ISP issue but something related with how Google’s configured Youtube HTML5 player. The buffering just isn’t happening and it sucks!
I have 2 PCs (mid-level gaming and low-end family) and a netbook at home. With the implementation of HTML5 on youtube, i can no longer watch youtube videos on my netbook and low-end pc. It lags just way too much, i even moved to firefox hoping to view them in flash instead. I hate this change and there i see no beneficial of this movement.
YEa, there actually is a benefit to the movement as you call it.
Tablets, and smart phones,and SEO design to name just a few.
Curious though. Have you updated to the most current version of browser.
And if you’re using Internet Exploder, anything below 9 will barf up HTML5 in a bad way.
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I’m from Argentina and I am having the sames problems as you.That’s all,make your own conclussions.
I cannot get my Windows7 Asus laptop to recognise HTML. I get Video/but no Audio. The Audio control completely disappears. I haven’t been able to find a solution to this problem. I can’t watch anything loaded using the html5 format.
Strange! What browser are you using?
I got the same issues lately. 3mbps download with no throttling crap. It deletes the stuff as I watch it and only downloads like a minute in advance. Been that way for maybe a month now, maybe longer. Whatever is doing it sucks, I hate going back in the video just to watch it reload stuff.
It’s very frustrating! I also find the same issue when watching videos on my iPod Touch, but I’m not sure if there’s a relationship between what’s causing the issue on desktop playback and mobile playback.
I can’t be more agree with you. Youtube’s webm sucks sooo fuckin’ bad. Especially since user can’t get rid of it. It’s disgusting. I wanna cry every time I remember this thing.
I was a little curious about the piece of shit so I tried different browsers. It’s only an issue with firefox and opera. Chrome, IE, and Safari all work fine.
Chrome is my primary browser, and I have noticed an improvement past the last couple of months.
It’s funny, sometimes all the things you described are things that happen to me, and then other times it’s completely fine.
The constant sputtering and buffering at about 3/4 the speed at which it’s playing really make for a terrible viewing experience, and to make matters worse I don’t know when the next “Youtube drought,” as I call it, will happen. They happen at any time of day with no rhyme nor reason.
Honestly, just half an hour ago I watched a half an hour long video on Yourtube and it loaded and buffered fine, but then a few minutes later I tried to listen to a five minute song and it buffered at about 1/2 playing speed.
Same here. It’s temperamental. It seems to have improved past the last couple of months, but is still buggy from time to time.
All the described symptoms are there, when I try to use Youtube. My joy whilst watching videos on youtube has already been severely spoiled: the no-buffer-issue, the black-screen, this is really turning me away from using youtube. This should really be solved soon or I might use something more usable.
Hmmm, now it seems I’m experiencing the buffer issues and black screens now too…. Grr.
Ummm. Are you just a YouTube hater or what?
Youtube player is really sucks!
I don’t know if you noticed but:
Everytime you clicking on Full Screen mode it will reload the movie, what’s the point?
I started to watch it on regular size and after 1 min when it’s already did the streaming and stuff and downloaded it, I’m clicking on Full screen mode and it’s downloading it again, what’s the point?
I mean… we are in 2012, why can’t you do something good?
I don’t know if this is what you’re referring to, but for me Youtube defaults to 360p for embedded playback and 480p for fullscreen. This obviously means you need to reload the video unless you selected a higher res before preloading. I dunno if that’s what you mean, but if so it might explain it.
Yeah, that can be an annoying feature. What happens when you fullscreen is YouTube starts loading the higher quality video automatically. It can be a waste of your download quota if you don’t require HD or high quality playback. An option to disable this feature would be great.
I have HTML5 disabled by default on my Youtube (I can’t hold for all these annoyances cited in the post) since I tried the HTML5 player for only 2 days, a few months ago…
Now it seems Youtube is forcing it on some videos, even if the user doesn’t have it activated.
In case someone finds this a problem, you can try what I’m doing in these cases: replace the “watch?v=” in the url for “v/”, wich will point me to Youtube’s flash player.
The downside of this is that I won’t be able to access the video comments, etc, but is better than be forced into the HTML5 player..
Great info; thanks for posting this!
Great idea!
I´m in Brazil and have the same exact issues listed above. I can´t stand html5 videos.
Google Chrome or any other browser built on the same framework does not cache Flash videos.
Use IExplorer or FireFox. They call it a security measure to prevent people from stealing flash files and mp3 files in the cache folder.
But I do agree about the HTML5 issue. It sucks even worse when you have a shitty internet connection.
Thanks for the information. The wife was really on my case about why youtube had suddenly become so hard to use with all the stuttering, lack of sync, etc. Now I at least have a clue. This is with the latest Safari on MacOS X 10.5.x and 10.6.x.
I’m not sure how helpful this is, but you may consider switching the user agent setting to “iPad” under the “Develop” menu when browsing YouTube. Obviously it won’t look like the normal desktop YouTube, but at least the video playback should work.
If you don’t see the “Develop” menu in Safari, you can enable it by going to your Safari Preferences, the “advanced” tab, and checking the “Show Develop menu in menu bar.”
You may also consider running FireFox and installing an addon or change a few settings. This page may help: Play YouTube videos using Flash instead of HTML5.
Also, have a read of Matheus’ comment above. He suggests swapping the URL around in YouTube to force Flash playback.
That’s why yt and FB sticks to Flash and apple to quicktime.
About the CPU usage i have made some research and it’s true.
HTML5 video tag consume more CPU than a Flash one.
http://www.yopsolo.fr/wp/2011/09/05/flash-vs-html5-video-performance-test/
Conclusion, that’s true html5 video tag is not good enought to replace Flash Video.
I’ve noticed my laptops heat up when using HTML5 video playback, hopefully they can improve it soon. Thanks for the link.
@derperus derpicle
I think you’re wrong there, as I’ve got Chrome running in Thinstation (Linux based) and it fills up the RAM when playing youtube videos (with Flash) until Chrome crashes due to the lack of RAM.
I’m seeing one more issue, and I guess some other people see it too. Sometimes, playing YouTube video in Firefox (at least) doubles the audio for the video being played, with a bit of lag! Even if you pause the video, the ghost audio keeps on playing! This happens completely random.
I have the same issue here as Piyush Soni.
I hear it double.Like a second video is playing with 5 sec delay.
And evenmore when I push the PAUSE. I keep hearing the song playing.
I am pissed..
Im having the exact same problems here in new zealand. it started a few months ago. both ie and chrome are the same. cant watch you tube videos any more. but red tube still works haha
I don’t have these issues at all.
Except for the buffering. I can’t stand this either. I miss the days of being able to hit pause and come back a minute or so later…If I had a better interweb connection this wouldn’t be an issue, but alas….
“So I pause videos at the start to let them load. Now, pausing a video to let it load isn’t a big issue, but it’s also useless because of the next issue…”
Yes, that’s what I had to do to, but NOW it won’t even do THAT: It won’t buffer all the way through.
It’s making videos impossible to watch anymore.
Oh yeah…
And I don’t dare do something like play Solitary at the same time, or else things really get freezey.
Downloading video lessons from Stanford on slow connection using IE8. Up to about 2 weeks ago was able to pause YT and let the whole download finish before watching. Now not at all. Sounds like a pretty common problem. I’m surprised no one has provided a clear explanation and/or solution. Has YT changed? Was it a Windows update? Seems to be affecting users of all types of browsers.
I switch between Linux, Mac and Windows often and I’ve experienced the same issue on each OS. I think it’s a YouTube update, but I’m not sure why they’ve done this aside, possibly, to lower bandwidth costs at their end.
There exists no Youtube HTML5 player.
HTML5 video works with a placeholder into the web page, that is ‘replaced’ by an implementation by the browser. So the HTML5 player is the one that is hardcoded in Chrome. So you *are* barking up the wrong tree – or spreading bad information.
Problem solved (for me, at least). Went to bottom of YT page and clicked on Help button, then “Fix buffering and playback problems” link. Note that in the text that follows, YT describes pausing playback to let the whole video buffer – therefore I don’t believe they are restricting downloads to save bandwidth, as has been suggested here and on other web pages. What worked for me was clicking on the Gear icon and changing the quality from 360p to 240p. It is now 25% of the way through downloading the whole video. Hurray!
Odd that they state that. If that’s true, I wonder what has caused the change.
I shouldn’t have to downgrade the quality, though, in order to watch something my connection could handle if I simply let it buffer.
I’m having these issues as well, i honestly couldn’t care less for html5, it was just fine as flash, i mean, my cpu wasn’t at goddamn 75% as an average on flash, it was at a max of 25%.
Honestly the conversion from html5 to Flash was a horrific mistake, one i hope they correct Very, Very soon.
I simply can’t watch a video if it keeps going all frigging jittery, i wanna watch pewdiepie, markiplier and non-brony commentaries without being annoyed to no end.
Also Flash only needs one plugin, the flash player
I agree completely, it sucks currently, there are just too many issues, and whats more is you can’t even watch more the half of the videos available on Youtube, especially those with ads..
Gotta love those videos that play a 30 second ad before telling you “this video is not available in your country.”
An update: admittedly 240p is not all that satisfactory, but I’ve found that if I let the video begin to download at 240p (just enough to start to see the progress bar), then click on 360p it will restart the download and buffer the whole thing at 360p.
Interesting, I’ll give it a shot!
The new YT player SUCKS. I use both Chrome and Firefox. Neither one will buffer YouTube videos as they once were buffered. It’s unwatchable now. I’ve not changed; they have. Yeah, real “progress,” huh?
BTW, I live in Florida, USA – same problems with YT like everyone else who has posted in this thread. I found you by googling “youtube new player sucks.”
A LOT of people around the world are having this problem, but YT/Google doesn’t give a crap.
I was a long term firefox user and lately, for quite some time though, been witnessing quite a lot of issues with youtube, mail etc. Thought it was a firefox thing and switched to chrome. The buffer problem still persists even with chrome 19! My youtube just won’t buffer and this really sucks!
I am surprised as how incompetent our web developers are for this problem is persisting for almost a year now!
Hi! I am confused as to why Youtube is playing some videos normally, but the HTML5 ones are not working at all? All I get is “Your browser does not currently recognise any of the video formats available”. I use Firefox, I don’t know what version. You’ll have to forgive me, I’m not the best with computers. I’d just like to be able to use Youtube properly again.
It SHOULD all be very simple: Download video into memory and watch. It doesn’t matter how slow we download – if we can get the entire video into our own computer memory then we should be able to watch it with no glitches. But instead, the damn thing keeps re-downloading – obviously it has deleted what was already sitting in our computer’s memory three seconds ago. We have computer memory for a reason!!!!! Hasn’t anyone out there worked out how we can bypass the crap and get the computer and internet to work exactly the way the computer and internet were designed to work? There is no excuse for this problem. They’re shitting on us because they can, full stop, no other explanation relevant.
I’ve been experiencing a specific problem with Safari 5.1.7 on Mac OS 10.7.4, which was that the video (after a bit of a stutter start) would slowly go out of sync with the audio, usually by as much as a second or two over a five minute span. I saw the same thing happen on my girlfriend’s laptop, which is running Safari on OS 10.6. This drove me absolutely nuts, and it was consistent across all of the videos I saw. I just read today about switching off the HTML5 beta, and thus far, it has resulted in videos staying in sync all the way through on both of our computers. Glad I was able to fix it, but it seems like a pretty odd and obvious issue to work on.
I think the buffer issue has something to do (in part) with their so called improved revenue models for Youtube. I hate it when I get to load an entire video and when I press repeat it has to load again. This is especially the case for music videos and other high traffic video content. Try loading something less popular, I noticed it buffers completely and I can repeat is over and over again without loading again.
I guess when the video does not buffer again, youtube can’t give the user a different set of ads to view… which is probably the reason why they implemented this “bug”. Again call me out if I am wrong, but if they had the incentive to fix these things, their “elite” engineering skillz would have done by a month. Apparently if they had the incentive to fix this, they would very easily.
It is time to realize the simple fact “HTML5 itself has a big problem” or just “HTML5 sucks”.
Flash may be not a cool technology, but it never means HTML5 is a good technology. People (and sadly many programmers) mistook this point.
I think it will take at least 5 years or so to replace all Flash videos with HTML5, including streaming sites such as Hulu and Ustream.
I’m have in this same promlem to
Utube doesn’t work AT ALL. how sad
An error occurred. Please try again later. I’ve been seeing this for months.
Although the HTML5 player is far from perfect it’s better than only having the Flash player and NOT BEING ABLE TO VIEW THE VIDEOS AT ALL.
DIE FLASH!
Good day;
I was searching trying to find out WHY YouTube is such a pain, and, Geez, I never thought I’d find so many people not satisfied!
My iP is in Toronto and I always have pretty nice bit rate, never waiting for anything. But this New YouTube design lay out is a f* ‘ing mess (since March 2012).
It has become such a pain trying to listen to songs, it’s just like using a Commodore 64: The video page takes years to load, the little bar down the screen is there for nothing because when you click next song it opens another page (instead of the previous lay out; it was feeding the Feature Player), 2 hours later when the song starts to play it stops regularly, or it freezes for months, or it starts back at the begining on its own…
So much that, my new politic is to stop the video as soon as the “pause” button appears (on a video page), right click on the video screen, select “pop out”, close that YouTube page as fast as I can, and just listen to the song in that “stand-alone” player. But I need do that every single time I want to listen to a song! Therefore, I am actually extremely pissed off! You see!
Anyone has any idea if YouTube knows everyone is mad?
Well, it’s nice to see I’m not the only one…
JnYves.
Well, I’m from Brazil and I’m just having the same problems with neverending loading time here. My connection isn’t that fast, so I used to pause the video and wait for it to get fully loaded, but now it when I pause the video, it refuses to keep on loading! That’s been happening for the past few months and it’s really annoying. Now I see it’s not a local problem with my ISP, since there are people from all over with the same problems. Anyone have a clue how to solve this shit!!! That’s really awkward!
It sounds like you may be having the same problem I was. Did you try my suggestion from June 15? Start the download and hit pause. Change the resolution down to 240p (click the Gear icon). Let the download begin again – I usually wait until I see the progress bar begin to show, but that may not even be necessary. Reselect 360p. After that the video will completely download like it used to. This works for me, hope it helps you.
Having same problems, have been for months. I don’t even want to watch anything on youtube anymore. Skipping, stuttering, can’t go back in the timeline, can’t move forward. Have to watch a video from start to finish and if I miss anything? Have to wait for video to finish, start it completely over. Pause so it can load. Then play. Useless.
No thank you youtube. Go back to flash until you can figure out where this falls so unbearably short!
I wish there was way to send all feedback errors drectly to them.
Gosh, I hear you, guys!
I’ve sent multiple messages to YouTube Management (since March 2012), none ever got any response…
Larkspur: The only way to “navigate” through the song or any video (on You Tube) without messing up the “time reference” is to pop out a “stand-alone” player. Like I’m describing above (my post; July 1).
I guess that’s the only thing we can do until it’s solved.
What a mess.
JnYves.
Wow, I’m really disappointed now. I thought I was the only one with these problems, but seeing all of you means I won’t be finding a solution soon. Dang. I’m using the latest Firefox from Honduras with 3G (600kbps) internet. It takes all day to watch one video.
Never had any problems, until a week ago.
Using 50MBit line, but the damm thing is not buffering , or stops buffering at any video I play. Jet I can download files from over 8GB in about 30 minutes. This is not an ISP problem or an OS problem. Using al the latest updates bla bla. Windows 7 64x.
Does it in firefox, IE. No mather what browser.
Sucks donkeyballz!
This is exactly what is happening to me. I live in Japan and have an average 80mbps (hikari- fast like buggery) downstream. But in the last three months all my computers have been suffering from the problems you have mentioned above.
Thank you so much for identifying the problem. I thought I was going to lose the plot.
Do you have any suggestions to improve buffering?
The issue is YouTube’s HTML player favors WEBM over H264… since WEBM isn’t hardware accelerated and has cache issues you get all sorts of lovely stuttering effects… go here: http://www.youtube.com/html5/ and exit the trial. Once I did this and used clicktoflash to load a decent h264 player under safari all my problems went away. Google/Youtube using their pre-alpha HTML 5 player to push a political agenda is fricking EVIL IHMO!
I maybe a little late to the party, but I am have EXACTLY the same issues as the original post in India. (Sorry, I have not read through all the replies). Is there a solution? I am using Firefox and Flash. However, these problems do not occur on ALL youtube vids, but only the more popular ones. I suspect the problems are being caused by youtube is doing something at their end to conserve server bandwidth
Get a downloader of some form and watch it from your HDD… Seems to be the easiest solution, if a bit of a hack.
I just lost half an hour of buffered video, but when i set downloadhelper on it it was all still there… i.e. it seems It does actually hold the whole video in buffer, but if you rewind… for some retarded reason it starts reloading it.
Their mistake is that they provide us with a non-complete video player, which I doubt has passed a proper beta testing, and they just make people with computers like mine which are not the best have issues watching videos on youtube. They haven’t understand that if they implement html5 player on all their videos youtube will have a breakdown eventually since people are just going to leave youtube and find an alternative solution. I can’t even watch a simple video on 480p at fullscreen cause as it will give me 3-5 fps… I hate them already for this…
Hi,
I have not opted for the Youtube html5. (It says so and asks me to join when I go to their site). But clips do not buffer at all as they used to. (I have a good connection, so this is not a problem per se.)
Anyway, Youtube clips in Firefox (since 13.0.1 update) do not not stack back properly when I scroll. For example, the player controls will appear in the middle of the player window, etc.
This happens even with just only one tab open and when the browser session has just started.
There is no issue in IE9.
My system is Windows 7, SP1 and the computer has a lot of memory, etc. No extra third party software (only MacAfee).
Can you point me to any solutions?
Thanks.
Well, because several are asking:
The only alternative to the mess a YouTube video-page creates is to pop out a “stand-alone” player, and close down YouTube video page.
For doing that:
(1) Stop the video as soon as the “pause” button appears (down left of the video player on a video page),
(2) Right Click on the video screen (a menu will come out),
(3) Select “pop out” (3rd. option),
(4) You may need to do that twice ( do #2, and #3 again),
(5) When the new Stand-Alone player appears, close that YouTube page (press “Home” button on your browser),
(6) On the Task Bar, select that new Item (that is the Stand Alone player) and just listen to the song/movie in that Stand-Alone player.
Then, with that Stand-Alone player, you will have no problem anymore.
Therefore, you know what?
The problem is not really the new HTML Player, it is the entire YouTube Video-Page.
Because once that YouTube Video-Page is closed down, the PC is back to normal.
YouTube Video-Page is “doing something” in background, on or with our PC. It is downloading “things” in the “Temp folders” and elsewhere, those “things” are keeping the PC “busy”, so it freezes and it does all those weird thing people are describing.
After each session with YouTube Video-Pages, I need clean up all “Temp files” and stuff for getting my PC back to normal speed.
Guys who are good at this: examine YouTube Video-Page’s “Source Code” and “Scripts”, to find out what’s there “enslaving” our PC keeping it that much “busy”.
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F*CK HTML5. Long live Flash <3
i think your right YouTube souldnt use HTML5
flash was alright and i think HTML5 is best at IE9 and no one wants to go over there
i have all these problems with YouTube’s FLASH version. There’s nothing really different between the two versions. YouTube, video streaming and computers in general just don’t work reliably. For example: my text cursor will not show up in this box when i use the arrow keys to move the insertion point if i have the page zoomed in. Thanks for half-usable, half-broken features, computer industry.
I live in the United States and Literally.. Everytime I use either Google Chrome or Internet Explorer 8,the video keeps shaking and buffering.On top of that….Everytime I put the video in Full Screen Mode, It plays really slow. I am sick and tired YouTube and their Corporate Bullshit. Google, do everyone a favor and just GIVE US THE OLD YOUTUBE BACK! The new design is confusing,the new channel designs….OH GOD NO!The new channels are just assanaine, It invades your privacy. On the old channel design,you could hide your age and customize the whole background..NEW CHANNEL DESIGN SUCKS BALLZ. Uploading a video will take at least 1 hour at the minimum…and 24 hours at the maximum. I’m sorry but i believe whoever is in charge of the new YouTube needs to go the electric chair.BOTTOMLINE….YOUTUBE SUCKS!
For the past few days when I load youtube, I select a video to watch, and the player screen in black and all the side guide videos posted on the right are black too. I get playing audio but no picture, UNTIL….. I go full screen or on reduced screen I move the page sideways inward or outward. Then I will see the video playing. Anyone else having this issue? This is driving me nutts and I’m afraid It’s my computer with a virus. Any suggestions on how to fix this issue? Contact me at Joeybinky@ yahoo. com for any ideas on what to do.
I’m having all the same issues from Canada.
I’ve used both Linux and Windows 7. Using a combination of Firefox, Chrome, and Internet Explorer on Debian and Linux Mint (except IE in Linux of course).
I thought it was my ISP at first until I found that speed tests were spot on (25/2.5 down/up) during buffering issues and HD content streamed fine from other sites.
I would have thought Google would have better quality control over such a massive site.
We certainly would expect better than this from YouTube. This is a major complaint by all who want to watch videos on Youtube and can’t slide the bar back or forward without the stupid video RELOADING entirely. This is truly some sorry, stupid, knuckle dragging, stone age, trogladite, neanderthal, cro-magnan, simian, anthropoid, swinging thru the trees, banana munching TECHNOLOGY and totally unacceptable in a modern internet experience…….phew! I feel much better now! …LOL!
Have to agree, their HTML5 player as of 2012 is fecking terribad. Get your act together YouTube!
It looks like I am having the same issue that you are having, but only on Firefox. After reading some of the comments on your site, I switched it to Chrome, and it solves the problem. Thank you thank you! <3
it looks like I’m not the only one who’s suffering with the new youtube player i told them about the problem and sent to them the link of this topic
The HTML5 player has nearly always had these problems. I’ve been using it for a while now (nearly since it was available) and I use Safari with OSX (the main reason for the HTML5). It seems that they player/video is getting much better than it used to be. I’m able to do just about everything with the HTML5 player now that I could do with the flash player, except without the ads. Although, there are videos, with ads, that won’t play in the HTML5 player. I don’t think they have the ability to prevent you from skipping/bypassing the ads yet, hence those videos can usually only be played with Flash. Every once in a while, I have seen a glitch where you can get a video with ads and get the HTML5 player, which then allows me to skip the ads. So most of the issues that you are experiencing are most likely to do with the fact that the HTML5 is still in Beta.
Exactly the same issues here in South Africa.
I have been having this problem as well, since 2010 and doesn’t seem to be getting fixed at all. It’s worse now than ever before. Like yous aaid, the higher quality videos tend to be the worst, but now it’s any video. Even 1 minute or less videos stutter and freeze up. You can’t pause and let buffer cause like you said, they just don’t anymore. If you wait long enough, something happens that the player goes blank or when you hit play it wont anymore, forcing you to reload the page. *sigh*. I notice this tends to get worse at around 7pm pacific time for me, maybe it’s a combination of my isp and You Tube’s issues in my case. I use AT&T.
I tried most of your complaints on Firefox 15.0 on Ubuntu 12.04. I am not experiencing any of your problems. Videos buffer almost instantly even at high quality. The timer being off is also not an issue. This could be that due to the fact that Linux, only having limited Flash support, is a bit friendlier towards alternatives.
Yeah i have an issue too with Firefox 15 i can not watch in full screen at all the video just resets itself at an earlier point and loops play 2 seconds jumps back 2 seconds over and over
Now my issue with HTML5 and the flash player is no matter what the buffer will randomly just STOP loading 100% and i have to refresh the page(or change the res back and forth), jump to my old time and hit play again.
Does it with IE, FF, and chrome, with HTML5 and Flash.
I have a 100/10mbs connection and i host many game servers and crap without lag so I am 99.99% sure it isn’t my connection.
Yeah, I’ve been meaning to update this post. It was at the time they introduced the HTML5 player that videos wouldn’t load 100% in both HTML5 and Flash. My guess is that it’s a deliberate limit they’ve put in place to prevent people from saving temporary files and/or save on bandwidth.
I find the problem of jitter is much worse in the latest version of chrome (21.0.1180.89 m), just downloaded it, than in ie8. I can watch reasonably smoothly in 1e8, but videos seem to be unwatchable in chrome. It did surprise me.
Helpful info. Lucky me I discovered your website by accident, and I am surprised why this twist of fate didn’t happened earlier! I bookmarked it.
Mine is now Pausing and stopping while I get to watch that spinning bubble circle as it tries to load in more data. This is an older post, but I have JUST started experience bad streaming in past month or two. SUCKS!
Just realizing it’s more of a Chrome issue.
HTML5 is only in beta. They made that very clear when you join it. It even says it is a trial. So all these problems are being worked on because, you guessed it, it’s not finished. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Neither was any form of finished code. I do hope you reported these issues to youtube and/or google development. Although I’m certain they are completely aware and ware working on them. Oh and good luck with that whole impatience thing.
I am aware of this, however, I never opted-in to the HTML5 player, nor is it listed as “BETA” in the right-click menu.
Nevertheless, the buffering problem (the main issue) also occurs on the Flash player, so it’s likely a back-end setting at YouTube’s end causing the problem.
The HTML5 player has been improved since this article, too, and I’ll be writing up a follow up soon.
I was never given a choice to opt in when they altered the youtube apps. It was either download the app for XBOX or don’t use the app anymore. I would roll back to the old version if I could, but I can’t. I also didn’t opt for it on the youtube website.
Up to now Youtube is not doing anything about it. As a company that BIG, its so shameful that they aren’t even doing anything to fix it.
They’re more busy removing awesome channels rather than fixing this! What’s the use of putting the full screen button there if it just pisses users off.
- stops randomly
- progress indicator stalls after a few seconds of playtime
- garbled graphics and disappearing up/down vote buttons then I scroll down
I’m on the flash version and have the same problems described in the OP. My internet is mid-level speed, but not slow enough that 480 should be completely stalling. It’s gotten worse the last 2 months.
I’m having the exact same problems here in Brazil/Sao Paulo.
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Windows 8 / Firefox 17 / IE10
Internet Cable: 10mbps
Flash sucks harder
Even Adobe stopped flash development on Mobile.
Because it sucks.
I’m from the US and I too have this issue with the video only buffering a little bit. It must be an issue with Youtube’s servers because it seems as though this issue is worldwide.
have been having the same problem. with my slower connections I simply would pause and let the video load fully then enjoy uninterrupted playback. but now when I rewind and it starts reloading i get so frustrated. Guess i will be checking out Vimeo and others now. YT is getting too big for its boots!
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I totally agree with your post, Youtube sucks right now, the buffering problem is unbearable for heavy users. I’m starting to get annoyed more frequently and not wanted to spend as much time in the site as I was.
AMEN TO THAT!
I agree with you but it does not sucks totally….
I’ve been having the same problems with youtube. Its happening on my IPAD, XBOX360, computer, and Roku. Every youtube app on every device now stops a few seconds after playback starts, and then never buffers more than a few seconds. It makes watching youtube videos unbearable.
I have NO problems whatsoever watching Netflix or Hulu on any devices. I can stream HD from both of those websites/apps without a problem.
This indicates it is not my ISP (Comcast) that is throttling, its something going on at youtube. I hate it. I paid a lot of money to have high speed data transfer for my son and I to use multiple devices to watch HD video on youtube, and now its not even functioning normally.
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It took forever for html5 to be establish. Are you sure you want to wait till html6 comes? That may never come at all they way they do it. The browser html5 is horrible plateform. Facebook could do it and they writing now native ios codes because of this. Html5 is a diaster and will bring down the internet backwards by 10 years.
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the youtube player is so bad i wanna scream. i hate it so much but i want to use youtube so i stick with it. i will always hate youtube
So i googled “how to disable new youtube piece of shit player” and this page came up.
EXACTLY the same fucking issues i have nonstop with this. Some videos are using the old normal player (that CAN buffer the entire video while paused, and WORKS), but some videos use the new player.
It’s fucking infuriating and i keep spamming youtube with bug reports about it. (right click the video, send error report)
It’s literally impossible to watch anything.
I’ve got 10mb/s sitting idle waiting to be used, and youtube’s player is buffering 720p videos at 200kb/s if i’m lucky, then stops after buffering 4 seconds.
Thanks alot, how bloody useful that is.
Even in my rage trying to watch the video in 240p after saying “OK FUCK IT i just wanna watch”, the same issues persist.
Can you believe it? It can’t even buffer a 240p video more than 4 seconds, and it can’t even play without dropping connection, in a 240p video.
It’s ridiculous. Every new thing they do with youtube sucks more and more.
They took out the ability for channels to have a mutual viewer – producer discussion with comments. They took out the playlist bar at the bottom in favor of a playlist INSIDE the video window, because god knows that’s more useful, to have the playlist Block the bloody video you’re watching…
I swear, incompetence is roaming wild in the youtube staff these days. How are these awful designers not fired yet?